I know, I know. This is dangerous territory. I strive to keep things unpolitical on this blog, but I wanted to clarify a few of my thoughts on Caitlyn Jenner since a commenter (posting under Anonymous...seriously, just stand behind your opinions) made some strong statements about me on Emily's blog.
First I should remind my readers that I am a member of the LDS faith (a.k.a. a Mormon). This has pretty strong bearing on the content of this discussion.
I said here that I am proud of Bruce/Caitlyn Jenner and I don't care who knows it.
No matter what side of this issue you are on I think we can all say it took guts for Caitlyn to go public with such a controversial decision. I think the hard thing about this sort of discussion (online especially) is you have to define what you feel the nature of this situation is. Is being transgender something you're born with? Is it influenced by external factors? If he dressed as a woman after hours is that "sin" or is it only sin if he takes hormones, has surgery, etc.
I believe it's a complicated discussion that is (for the most part) futile since only God can know our hearts and make that judgement. I believe that Mormons sometimes have a hard time (myself included) defining the lines of judgement. We are told repeatedly in scripture not to judge others (Matthew 7:1-5), but are also counseled to choose good friends and make good choices. Of course we need to judge what should be allowed into our own personal lives. If Caitlyn Jenner knocks on your door YOU should absolutely make a personal judgement on whether or not to allow her in and to accept her into your life. But does it extend beyond that? I say an emphatic NO.
There is an AMAZING TALK by a leader of our church, N. Eldon Tanner, that perfectly illustrates this line of judgement. Here are just a few excerpts that I found particularity suited to this discussion. (Elder Tanners words are italisized and some passages have been made bold by me to emphasize important concepts.)
It is not possible to judge another fairly unless you know his desires, his faith, and his goals. Because of a different environment, unequal opportunity, and many other things, people are not in the same position. How can we, with all our weaknesses and frailties, dare to arrogate to ourselves the position of a judge? At best, man can judge only what he sees; he cannot judge the heart or the intention, or begin to judge the potential of his neighbor.
When we try to judge people, which we should not do, we have a great tendency to look for and take pride in finding weaknesses and faults, such as vanity, dishonesty, immorality, and intrigue. As a result, we see only the worst side of those being judged.
Only by suspending judgment do we exhibit real charity. Surely we can try to eliminate pride, passion, personal feeling, prejudice, and pettiness from our minds, and show charity to those around us.
People will come back with this argument: "This is sin. This is black and white! What Bruce/Caitlyn is doing is wrong. Don't let "society" convince you it isn't." But what about another obvious sinner? Again, from Elder Tanners talk...
When the woman accused of adultery was brought before Christ, he was indignant because of the accusers’ injustice.
He said: “He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.” (John 8:7, 10.)
If Jesus were to stand by and be asked to judge those whom we accuse and should say to us, “He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her,” and then should stoop and write in the sand, how many of us would feel to steal away ashamed, convicted in our own conscience? How sound is his counsel!
Regardless of our ego, our pride, or our feeling of insecurity, our lives would be happier, we would be contributing more to social welfare and the happiness of others, if we would love one another, forgive one another, repent of our wrongdoings, and judge not.
And here comes one of my favorite parts.
As parents, we have the responsibility in our homes to guard against any of these things. Also, we must realize that every word and every act influences the thinking and attitude of the child. It is in the family that the child picks up the elementary lessons in getting along with people and the virtues of love, compassion, and concern. These lessons will have been well taught if parents can bring up their children without prejudicing them by precept or example against any other children on the grounds of color, race, religion, social status, or intellectual capacity, and if they teach them to love the Lord. I am so thankful that my parents, through their tolerance, were able to accomplish this with their children.
All I have to day is AMEN, ELDER TANNER!!! In my mind there are exactly two occasions when you can make judgements:
1. When deciding who and what to allow into your personal space.
2. When voting for public officials or laws.
Any other time? YOU are committing the greater sin.
Again, these are discussions that could take hours of contemplation and respectful discussion between friends.









8 comments
I completely agree. There are SO many ways to discuss this topic, but another important point is that how can we judge someone/something when we know nothing about it. I have no idea what it is like to be born a man and have the soul of woman, and therefore want to be a woman. I have no idea what that is like, so who am I to judge? If transforming into a woman is what makes you happy then BE happy!
What scares me is how this effects my role as a mom. And I even felt this when I was in HS and would see gay friends etc...that I can't even imagine what my daughter will see in HS, that innocence is gone.
To spin a different view on this, my husband and I recently watched the movie "Extremely Loud & Incredibly Close" which talks about 9/11. And at the end of the movie we discussed it and I said that it makes me sad that my daughter will never know that innocence. How on that day we had so many questions and "who did this?" "why?" etc... we had so many questions because the unthinkable happened. And now my daughter will never know life prior to such an attack because she'll learn about it in US History and will have questions etc....
And now thinking about it, that is probably a bad example because I think being transgender has been around for a really long time, just never publicly.
I guess my point is, I know my daughter will eventually go to school and see things and have questions, and will come home and ask me those questions, and I just won't know how to answer them because I don't know.
I hope all of this makes sense.
Lastly, go Caitlyn go!
So, how do we know if the body REALLY has a Transgender soul? If your mind can convince you that you are fat and must not eat even if it destroys your quality of life and and may even kill you--anorexia and bulimia. Then can't it also convince e you that you are female when you are not? I am really trying to figure out why this isn't a mental health issue. Someone explain it to me because it goes against logic, scientific proof, and basic common sense. These people are out of touch with the reality of their biological sex. That seems to be a form of mental illness and I don't think it is good for society to encourage sick people to change them selves through painful and expensive surgeries and hormone treatments. Really, explain to me logically why this isn't a form of mental illness. If it is mental illness the these people are being exploited and used by medical professionals who are willing to accept their money.
So I honestly don't feel like I am judging Caitlyn Jenner but others probably see it differently. She can do what she wants because she has the agency and the freedom to choose, obviously. But my problem is this: SOME THINGS WE DON'T GET TO CHOOSE. I believe 100% that gender is one of those things. I don't think it matters if a man feels like a woman...because he is a man. Every day I feel like I don't belong in a trailer in Gallup, NM. That I belong in a beach house in some beautiful California town. But just because I feel that way doesn't mean I get to move to California and take somebody's house. It doesn't matter how I feel, some things are wrong. Some things I don't get to choose. I feel like there has to be a line. There has to be a line! Our society has got to stop celebrating people as heroes who make choices that shouldn't be choices in the first place. Some things we don't get to choose. I don't feel like Bruce Jenner gave up anything except the pronoun "he". Everybody is on his side. Everybody is applauding and celebrating this choice. He didn't risk anything. That said, you are absolutely right. The bigger sin is with me if I'm judging and I loved this talk and the quotes you put here. You stand by what you believe and I really appreciate it! And I'm sorry for the harsh words on my blog, I didn't intend for that with my post. I'm sorry!
Gamila - You made a really good point. I really don't know much about the psychological/physiological components of Transgenders. I would be really interested to know if (without hormone replacement) there are imbalances of hormones. I did watch the Diane Sawyer interview with Bruce and he said he felt this way since early childhood. It's hard to imagine why that would occur. Is it 100% mental? If so, would we classify it as a disorder? I honestly don't know.
If we DO classify it as a disorder then what is the cure? I wonder if therapy would be effective? We know from history that therapy (both psychological AND physical) has not proven very effective in "treating" homosexuality. Interesting points.
I didn't read your entire blog post but I felt the need to comment. People need to live their lives and as long as a person is doing good in this world, they are happy and they are respectful I say go for it.
However, I will not change my opinion based on the beliefs of someone else. I believe that we are born male or female and that's it. Having characteristics of the opposite sex does not make us the opposite sex.
The thing that bugs me about the recent coverage of Jenners transformation is that it is being glorified and over acclaimed. There are so many other people in this wold who do amazing courageous things who deserve more attention than him/her.
I have no reason to pass judgement on Bruce Jenner either- Just saying that there are all sorts of things people do that take guts, and I have a higher standard than "having done something hard" to make me go out of my way to tell the world I'm proud of what that person is doing and what their choices stand for.
Jesus told the woman taken in audultry to "go and sin no more" not, "I'm proud of you and I don't care who knows it"
Anyhoo- Bruce Jenner aside, I suppose I am guilty of having passed judgement on you for your opinions on his announcement, and for that I apologize.
-Jaitlyn
Great post! I'm not a Christian but I really like this distinction of when it's okay to pass judgement and when it's not. Kudos for your own courage in sharing your beliefs.
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